Workers Of Wood

My Delta 10 inch contractor table saw quit today in mid cut of course.
My son in law was a contractor and when he died, my daughter sold me the saw. I have had it for 18 years. I replaced the motor once before several years ago.
It was beginning to drag its feet and search for a place to lie down.
The table is a bit out of square and the guide is not tight any more.
The blade adjustments are hard to operate. So, I wouldn't be too put out to have to replace it.
I was cross cutting 2 inch stock for a cutting board and it kicked the breaker a couple of times and the blade got stuck a few times.
It had no blade guard or splitter. Would not adjust far enough to be a true 45 degrees.

By this time all of you know that I am practicing my plea to Sandra to get a new one.
Let you know how it goes.

Bushwhacker

Go to the "medicine cabinet", take out the Maker's Mark, pour two shots and share one with the ole girl. She has served you well, now it's time to let 'er rest...

If you stalled the blade check for a reset button and give it a push. It may have tripped too.

Look around out there I bet you can find some good buys about now on used power tools.
Herb

HandyDan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:17 pm If you stalled the blade check for a reset button and give it a push. It may have tripped too.

The first thing I checked, but it was still in and had not tripped.
I had smelled burn but the wood was not scorched, so it may have been the motor.
Even a new motor is not cheap and would not fix all the problems I have with the machine.
Besides, as I was explaining the problems with the saw to Sandra she interrupted to say, you need to get a new one.
Thats when I shut up.

Bushwhacker

Nickp wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:44 pm Go to the "medicine cabinet", take out the Maker's Mark, pour two shots and share one with the ole girl. She has served you well, now it's time to let 'er rest...

You are right Nick, we have built a lot of stuff together over the years and my son in law took it on jobs with him for several years.
She has done a fine job and to die with her blade stuck in a piece of 2-inch padauk is not a shabby way to go.

Bushwhacker

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:32 pm Look around out there I bet you can find some good buys about now on used power tools.
Herb

I am looking at both HD and Lowes. Lowes has a 10 inch Delta contractors saw for 699, Home depot has the same exact saw but tagged as a Ridget for 20 dollars cheaper. Looks like they painted them different colors but the same saw.

Bushwhacker

@bushwacker

I have the Delta version of that saw.

Some observed issues:
My 1st one had excessive wobble in the spindle.
Returned it under warranty--but what a hassle.
Delta wanted me to ship it to them In South Carolina (wouldn't let me drop it off)
Lowes didn't want to take it back. Was past their return date policy.
So back & forth with customer service & they finally convinced Lowes to take it back.

The replacement one has a dip on the right side of the main table near the blade opening---I'm living with that.

There used to be 2 different motors that went with that saw, a 13 amp & a 15 amp. IIRC it only comes now with a 13amp motor.

there are various throat plates for the saw and they aren't cheap IMO.

When I lock the rip fence down the fence seems to lift & twist so that it is no longer perpendicular to the table, no matter how hard you lean on it to keep it from happening. I've tried adjusting the crap out of it to no avail.

If you have a not perfectly flat floor the swivel wheel & front pads will bind on the floor. Not enough travel in the foot to raise the pads enough to clear the floor.

IIRC the new one only comes with stamped steel extension tables. They used to come with optional cast iron ones.

Dust collection is mediocre at best.

Assembly was rather easy but it seems that everyone puts the swivel wheel on the left side of the saw. The instructions say to put it on the right under the extension wing.

Various youtube videos to watch. (For informational purposes only )

That's it for now.

Anytime you need to cut 2" or thicker with a saw portable enough to take to job sites you're going to strain it. If you have wiring for a 220 powered saw that's what I'd look for. I have a 3 hp unisaw and it'll cut 3" without much trouble. I also have an old Rockwell as a backup and to use when I don't want to change settings on the uni and it has a 220 motor on it and it'll almost keep up to the bigger saw. I bought the Rockwell for $100 and I've seen them for as cheap as $50. A better fence is an asset but they'll outperform a lot of the newer saws until you get up to the $1000 or so range.

For that price, go with the Bosh 629. @HD I bought one ten years ago for 599. and have not had a bit of problems with it. I took it off the fold up stand and gave that to my nephew, the made a nice roll around cabinet for it with drawers to store accessories in.
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Power ... 2fkokihZ9u
P.S., I knew your sweety would come through.

Herb

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:41 am For that price, go with the Bosh 629. @HD I bought one ten years ago for 599. and have not had a bit of problems with it. I took it off the fold up stand and gave that to my nephew, the made a nice roll around cabinet for it with drawers to store accessories in.
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Power ... 2fkokihZ9u
P.S., I knew your sweety would come through.

Herb

I did contact Lowes and they assured me that I will get my 10% Military Discount on the saw.
That will bring it down a bit.
I had already considered taking the stand off and making a cabinet for it.
I have no plans to take it anywhere. It will go on the end of my 7foot out run table.

All it took was to mention the safety behind having a splitter and a blade guard and she said to go and get it. You have to have a table saw..

I currently have three projects going, the chaotic cutting board for my son , a cribbage board for my sister, and a linen closet for Sandra.
Need the table saw for all of them.

Bushwhacker

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:41 am For that price, go with the Bosh 629. @HD I bought one ten years ago for 599. and have not had a bit of problems with it. I took it off the fold up stand and gave that to my nephew, the made a nice roll around cabinet for it with drawers to store accessories in.
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Power ... 2fkokihZ9u
P.S., I knew your sweety would come through.

Herb

Nice looking cabinet.

Bushwhacker

Yes, the stand would be OK if a person was doing outside jobs, but it takes up unnecessary space in the shop, and There is always a need for drawers to put stuff in and forget where you put it.
The riving knives are a good thing, but on the Boshe I had a board pinch the riving knife and had to pry it out after the smoke cleared. I am not a person in favor of them on either of my table saws.
HErb

The Bosch pusher stick is a dangerous piece of equipment. the blade hooked mine and it exploded, putting a big gash in the palm of my hand.

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:15 pm The Bosch pusher stick is a dangerous piece of equipment. the blade hooked mine and it exploded, putting a big gash in the palm of my hand.

Damn Herb.
At our ages we gots to be careful.
We don't heal like we used to.
I use two sticks i cut out years ago. i painted the ends red to make sure i knew where they always were, the ends and all chewed up from hitting the blade.
better than my fingers.
back before i retired, I worked in the ED of Hermann Hospital downtown Houston.
After a while you could tell from across the ER when someone came in from a table saw accident.
Seen some nasty ones.
Sorry you got hurt.

I was once cutting pins for drawer sides and keeping the piece square with a speed square. I would cut one pin then adjust to the left for the next one line it up with the speed square.. the last one i lined up should not have been cut . the blade hit that speed square and sent it across the shop, My whole hand went numb and hurt like hell, i was afraid to look at it.
It was not hit, just by the flying speed square. I still have that square hanging on the tool board.
Just a reminder.


Bushwhacker

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:40 pm Yes, the stand would be OK if a person was doing outside jobs, but it takes up unnecessary space in the shop, and There is always a need for drawers to put stuff in and forget where you put it.
The riving knives are a good thing, but on the Boshe I had a board pinch the riving knife and had to pry it out after the smoke cleared. I am not a person in favor of them on either of my table saws.
HErb

I usually stick a screw driver in the cap if a piece gets too tight. Once you get past that squeeze point, the screw driver will fall out.
Sounds dumb as hell when I read what i wrote.

Bushwhacker

I just seen an ad for the dewalt, I think it comes with or without.......

Herb

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:35 pm I just seen an ad for the dewalt, I think it comes with or without.......

Herb

I picked up my Dewalt 10" last night from Lowes. Home Depot wanted 2 weeks to deliver and 21 days if it went to the store. Lowes said they had 3 on hand, but they lied, only had two. luckily, I only needed one.
Mine did not come with all the accessories if everything in the ad came with it. Besides, Sandra would never let me keep her.
I said I picked it up. a misstatement. The thing weighs a ton. Had to get a man and two young boys to help get it on one of their carts then to get it into the SUV.
Sandra and I wrestled it out and into my shop. She went in to get supper ready and I said I was just going to move it a bit further into the shop.
20 minutes later , she came out and I had the box open the instructions laid out and about 4 pieces already out of the box.
She said " knew you could not wait until tomorrow to open that".
Well, here it is , tomorrow.

Bushwhacker

Great, I hope it works out good for you. Nothing like a new tool to get a person all excited to build things.
Herb

Herb is this recent ? Wow , it’s not something I’d imagine happening, but things go south so quickly sometimes. Guess there’s a reason people make their own out of wood .

Do you mean the pusher exploding, it was before the pandemic. My hand healed good, I really have to look close to see the gash. the plastic surgeon did an excellent job of sewing it up.
I sent picture to Bosch to let them know they have an inferior pusher. They answered back, why are you sending this,are you going to file a claim against us.
I wrote back, no, I just wanted their engineers to be aware of their inferior design.
Since then they have revised their design a little . The first large void has been moved forward about an inch.

HErb

This is the Delta 36-725T2.
It comes with the riving knife installed.
The problem i see is the anti kick back attaches to the riving knife and the blade guars attaches to it too.
I am going to cut 2 inch material, 2 inch material will not fit under the blade guard or the anti kick back.
I am taking them both back off.
oh ya
It also came with a plastic push stick like the one that exploded for Herb.
I plan to use it as a pattern to cut some out of wood.

Bushwhacker

Yes the plastic one will make an excellent pattern for making a wooden one.
If you notice in the picture above that neither the guard,riving knife assembly,nor plastic pusher are shown in use by the OP.
Just saying,
Herb

Nickp wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:44 pm Go to the "medicine cabinet", take out the Maker's Mark, pour two shots and share one with the ole girl. She has served you well, now it's time to let 'er rest...

And then go back to the shop and deal with the saw...

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:35 pm I just seen an ad for the dewalt, I think it comes with or without.......

Herb

I think I'm in love...the saw's nice to!

DaninVan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:13 am

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:35 pm I just seen an ad for the dewalt, I think it comes with or without.......

Herb

I think I'm in love...the saw's nice to!

There was a saw??

Bushwhacker

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:51 pm Do you mean the pusher exploding, it was before the pandemic. My hand healed good, I really have to look close to see the gash. the plastic surgeon did an excellent job of sewing it up.
I sent picture to Bosch to let them know they have an inferior pusher. They answered back, why are you sending this,are you going to file a claim against us.
I wrote back, no, I just wanted their engineers to be aware of their inferior design.
Since then they have revised their design a little . The first large void has been moved forward about an inch.

HErb


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This is my favourite style. By far the best design when cutting small pieces. You can push and hold down at the same time which means safer to me. 1/4 to 5/16 ply is good enough thickness wise which allows cutting fairly thin strips.

Here is the one I made for the WW group one year. It has an adjustable/replaceable hook on the bottom. Plus it is rabbited on a 45°slot on the bottom for using on the jointer to hold against the fence and pressure down at the same time.
Herb

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I think I'm in love...the saw's nice to!
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Hey Dan, one would think your compatriots on that school board in Ontario would have hired her to teach woodworking shop, instead of the person they did hire. Ticks all the right boxes:
-No excessive body parts to obstruct the view of the workpiece
-Good stance, well-balanced, out of the way of possible kick-back (the workpiece would not dare to kick back anyway, there would be a riot)
-No loose garments to get caught
-Hair neatly tied up out of the way
-Guaranteed zero absenteeism rate, at least among self-identifying males, lesbians, bisexuals, gender-fluids - ie 99.8% of the class
-They might even learn something. If I had had a teacher like that in my day, I would have traded Latin for Woodwork in a flash.
Fire the school board.

I guess it is a sign of old age that I noticed the gussets on the roof trusses, and the Gripper in the background. But the saw, not so much. When you have seen one, you have seen them all.

I didn't think that exploding plastic pushers was an occuring problem, but on another forum I just caught this and Stumpy Nubbs even has a video out about it.
Herb

Herb, those must be the classiest push sticks around. May I ask how you made the finger notches - did you use a hole saw?

I know what you mean about the Gripper. I bought a twin set with all the attachments, and it took a while to convince myself that my hand would always be shielded from the blade. The biggest problem I have, is that the patented gripping surface is not as grippy as described - it quickly gets loaded with wood and other dust and loses traction. I find myself relying on the adjustable drop-down hook on shorter pieces. The adjustable part is a nice idea, but also gets affected by wood dust, and may not drop down automatically as designed.
The Grippers also need more set-up than one would initially expect. I think I was psyched into buying the full house by some other video of somebody’s cut hand. Stick had once posted a plan for an all-wood knock-off, but I figured it would take too long to make. Now there is a Milescraft knock-off, which might even have some improvements, as well as being much more affordable (like the Milescraft Euro hinge bore jig, compared to the Kreg one I own).

My Bosch saw came with the same push stick as your exploding one. I have only used it a couple of times on narrow workpieces. Generally I prefer to use a pair of cheap (dare I say it?) Chinese push sticks which are made of some type of nylon, and not prone to shattering. For thin strips I now use the Grippers. Will permanently retire the dynamite stick.

Biagio, I Used my hand finger spacing on a 1/4" plywood template, rough sawed the pusher out of 3/4 plywood. Then I attached the template to the plywood with 3 screws (where the holes show) and with a straight bit on the router table formed the finished edge. Then take off the template and use a 1/4" round router bit and run around and flip over do the other side. The sliding hook I used a box joint Blade to make the slot. Before I finished ,I used a countersink both sides to finish the screw holes.
Herb

Biagio wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:29 pm

I know what you mean about the Gripper. I bought a twin set with all the attachments, and it took a while to convince myself that my hand would always be shielded from the blade. The biggest problem I have, is that the patented gripping surface is not as grippy as described - it quickly gets loaded with wood and other dust and loses traction. I find myself relying on the adjustable drop-down hook on shorter pieces. The adjustable part is a nice idea, but also gets affected by wood dust, and may not drop down automatically as designed.

There was a member on the old forum who was only there for a short time but while there related that he had had a very serious hand injury while using a Gripper. I tried to get as much info from him as I could about what happened but he seemed reluctant to talk about it. What he did say was that he was pushing a piece of wood through the blade when the Gripper flipped over and his hand went into the blade. That was all I could get out of him about it.

I can only guess at what happened but my best guess is that the wood he was pushing on had a lot of compression stored in the grain and the cut closed up on the back of the blade. He must have kept pushing. If you are aware of the possibility that the cut can close up the situation can be safely dealt with. If you are unaware of it being a possibility and you don't pay attention to the signs that something is wrong (saw starting to labor and wood getting progressively harder to push) it can lead to injury. Even the Gripper requires that you pay attention.

Not good to hear that. I am with Biagio on any pusher with pads on them only too. Every one I tried stated to slip from lack of grip on the pad especially on the jointer,I will only use ones with hooks.
Herb

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:14 pm Not good to hear that. I am with Biagio on any pusher with pads on them only too. Every one I tried stated to slip from lack of grip on the pad especially on the jointer,I will only use ones with hooks.
Herb

I retired the push pads that came with my jointer too and only use my homemade one that has a hook on it.

Cherryville Chuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:28 am

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:14 pm Not good to hear that. I am with Biagio on any pusher with pads on them only too. Every one I tried stated to slip from lack of grip on the pad especially on the jointer,I will only use ones with hooks.
Herb

I retired the push pads that came with my jointer too and only use my homemade one that has a hook on it.

I still use my pad style, but only with my plywood pusher ( Charles' style), to apply side pressure to keep my material tight against the fence

That works to a point,but pushing it through the jointer is a spooky experience.
Herb

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:09 pm That works to a point,but pushing it through the jointer is a spooky experience.
Herb

I have never tried that.
It sounds scary.

Bushwhacker

Bushwhacker wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:20 pm

Herb Stoops wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:09 pm That works to a point,but pushing it through the jointer is a spooky experience.
Herb

I have never tried that.
It sounds scary.

Bushwhacker

I did get my new 10 inch Delta table saw. I had problems understanding the instructions that came with it but once i went on Utube and watch a couple of videos, I got it all assembled .
Then my problem was the 200 lbs gorilla in the room the old table saw. I decided that since the salvage yard is about 3 blocks away I would take it there and see what I could get for it as scrap. Since it would not fit in my SUV, as it was, I disassembled the whole thing, then dollied it out to the car. Took three trips. Once I got to the salvage yard, a fellow there had me back up to a scale and he unloaded the whole thing for me. I had to go through a security process like getting into a nuclear plant, then take a piece of paper from the weight station into the office area. Here I had to show my ID and fill out some paper work plus stand behind the line to have my picture taken ( take off your hat sir).
I walked out of there with a whole 15 dollars in a check, Which Sandra immediately took charge of.
In 20 some years if I need to replace my new saw, I will set it out to the curb and let one of the metal collectors have it.
Wasn't worth the 15 dollars to disassemble it and haul it to the car and then all you have to go through at the salvage yards these days.
I understand that is caused by the copper thieves, and Catalytic converters being stolen these days.

Bushwhacker